Overview
Former intelligence officer and UFO whistleblower David Grusch reportedly described an alleged encounter involving “reptilian” beings and U.S. troops during an appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience. According to Cybernews, Grusch said the incident was connected to a crashed, “tic-tac”-shaped craft that may have been involved in a conflict between two nonhuman groups.
The account, however, remains unverified and secondhand. Grusch reportedly emphasized that he was relaying information provided by another individual rather than describing something he personally witnessed. No location, date, military unit, official record, physical evidence or independently corroborated testimony was identified in the report.
Alleged Crash and Encounter
Grusch said those involved in examining the crash site allegedly found dead beings commonly described in UFO lore as “grays,” alongside reports of living creatures with a markedly different appearance. Witnesses reportedly characterized the latter as more than seven feet tall, heavily built and covered in scales.
The reported beings were described as behaving in a way that appeared threatening or “malevolent,” although Grusch also acknowledged that their actions could have reflected fear, distress or an animal-like response rather than deliberate aggression. According to the account, the situation escalated when the creatures allegedly posed a danger to U.S. personnel.
Grusch reportedly claimed that American troops fired on and killed the reptilian beings. He also said that U.S. personnel were injured and killed during the incident, although he could not provide a specific number. The report did not state whether the alleged event was connected to any publicly documented military operation or investigation.
“Ghostbusters Moment”
The discussion was presented as an extraordinary escalation from Grusch’s earlier public focus on government transparency and alleged secrecy surrounding unidentified anomalous phenomena. During the podcast, host Joe Rogan reportedly acknowledged that the subject sounded like “kooky talk,” while adding that an extraordinary claim would naturally sound implausible if it were genuine.
Grusch also suggested that additional witnesses could eventually come forward. He reportedly described the broader phenomenon as involving conflict between nonhuman groups, saying, “You’d think, wouldn’t they get along, they're so advanced? But we have a record of them f____ around with each other.”
Despite the dramatic description, the available report provides no documentary or scientific support for the alleged encounter. Grusch’s reported admission that the story was based on information from another person significantly limits what can be established about the incident.
Skepticism and Context
The claims prompted skepticism among users of Reddit’s r/UFO community, where commenters reportedly criticized the story as fantastical and lacking scientific credibility. Some compared the account to fiction, with one reaction characterizing it as coming “straight from a bad novella.”
The reaction reflects a broader challenge facing high-profile UAP claims: extraordinary testimony can generate public attention, but it does not substitute for independently verifiable evidence. Images, sensor data, official records, physical materials and multiple consistent eyewitness accounts would be needed to evaluate the allegation responsibly.
For now, the reported “Ghostbusters moment” remains an unsubstantiated story attributed to a secondhand account. No government agency or independent scientific body has publicly confirmed that U.S. troops encountered or killed reptilian beings, and the report offers no evidence establishing that such an event occurred.
