Overview
Rep. Eric Burlison (R-Mo.) and Disclosure Foundation Executive Director Jordan Flowers appeared on The Dr. Phil Podcast to discuss allegations that the U.S. government has withheld significant information about Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP). Hosted by Dr. Phil McGraw, the episode examined claims involving recovered non-human technology, unusual military encounters, government secrecy and the treatment of whistleblowers.
The discussion presented a number of serious allegations, but the program did not establish independent verification of the events or materials described. Much of the conversation centered on testimony from current and former officials, classified briefings and accounts that, according to the participants, remain inaccessible to the public.
Claims of UAP Activity
Burlison described an account attributed to a senior intelligence officer involving an alleged UAP incident at a Western U.S. military test range in late 2025. Referred to in the discussion as a “Tranche 2” narrative, the account reportedly involved dozens of glowing orbs interacting with military aircraft. According to the description, some objects maneuvered within approximately 10 feet of a helicopter before splitting into multiple objects.
The speakers characterized these reported capabilities—including abrupt movement, apparent formation changes and performance beyond known aircraft technology—as inconsistent with conventional aerospace systems. White Sands, New Mexico, was mentioned as a possible location connected to continuing UAP activity, although the episode did not provide publicly released documentation confirming the specific event.
Allegations of Government Secrecy
A central theme was the claim that information about UAP is being withheld not only from the public but also from elected officials. Burlison and Flowers argued that layers of military, intelligence and private-contractor bureaucracy may be obstructing congressional oversight. They also alleged that records associated with programs such as AARO or the former Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, commonly known as ATIP, may have been removed, deleted or otherwise made unavailable.
Flowers cited former intelligence officer David Grusch’s public testimony regarding alleged recovered craft and “biologics,” a term used in congressional testimony to describe purported non-human remains. The podcast also referenced Rep. Tim Burchett’s claims that senior officials, including Stephen Miller, acknowledged the presence of individuals blocking the release of UAP records. These assertions remain disputed and have not been substantiated through a publicly verified evidentiary record.
Whistleblowers and Public Disclosure
The participants emphasized the professional, financial and psychological risks faced by people who report alleged UAP information. They argued that current whistleblower protections are inadequate, particularly for individuals whose claims involve classified programs or defense contractors. Dr. Phil also raised the question of whether the public is prepared for the potential social and psychological consequences of confirmed evidence of non-human intelligence.
The discussion placed current disclosure efforts in a longer historical context, citing the 1953 Robertson Panel as an example of an alleged government effort to manage public perceptions of UFO reports. Flowers also referred to a Disclosure Foundation event planned for June 25 on Capitol Hill.
Proposed Next Steps
The guests called for broad declassification of records related to alleged non-human intelligence, creation of a Whistleblower Restitution Fund and a formal National Intelligence Estimate on UAP. They argued that such measures would improve interagency coordination, protect witnesses and provide clearer public reporting.
The episode’s broader conclusion was that Americans are capable of evaluating difficult information and deserve greater transparency. At the same time, the claims discussed—including alleged recovered craft, non-human biologics and UAP-luring operations—remain matters for further documentation, independent review and official investigation rather than established fact.
